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Mystique R333
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Post by Mystique R333 on Jan 17, 2009 22:04:28 GMT 10
When Andrew Kopp owned Mystique from 1983 - 1992, she looked like this and lived at RMYS After being painted from being this colour scheme soon after being obtained. After losing its mast when owned by a syndicate including Ross Gulliver and living on hardstand at Queenscliff it was in a sad state with most of the interior veneer split beyond repair and the mast in three pieces. The single banger Volvo had also problems in that it would not run above idle. Still we obtained her for a very fair price and she was towed up to RYCV from Queenscliff.
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Post by Mystique R333 on Jan 21, 2009 14:01:38 GMT 10
To read further details of our renovations to Mystique, feel free to check out our Blog at: coolmobility.blogspot.com/This details progress over the last year+. We wanted to have made more progress but boat builders are soooo unreliable - promise to do jobs, then take weeks or even months to do simple tasks. I get frustrated as being in a wheelchair (I'm a quadriplegic), I can't do anything apart from design and specify what I want done. Still, we should be on the water soon.
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Post by Mystique R333 on Feb 12, 2009 8:52:55 GMT 10
Information just recently provided by the Victorian boat builder – Doug Sharpin of Yachting Worlds, Mordialloc, who found us on the web (now living up north). Doug has also joined the Holland 25 Forum as a member. We hope for lots of valuable input as the boat's builder, as he gets around to adding it. Welcome Doug. “As the builder of all the Holland 25, I can maybe add a few sippets of trivia that will interest you..... I'm trying to find the original owners name [of Mystique] in Launceston, launched at Hastings about 1977-8 and sailed across the Strait she came adrift from her mooring in a storm in the Tamar River and was badly damaged rubbing against a pier with big bolts sticking out. I trailered her back to the yard at Mordialloc where she sat for quite a time until sold to a boatbuilder apprentice Steve Bird (worked on Carbineer 46 - beaut woodwork - hence the nice timber fitout) Steve later bought the Savage 42 moulds and built quite a number at Braeside. In 1978 we added a "Plus 4" section to the hull mould for Qld. charter orders - also lowered the bridge-deck for easy access - the +4 gives you full headroom not like Moira’s problems you talk about !” Thank you Doug, we really appreciate the history as it all adds interest to the yacht's story. We now know that the yacht was launched in 1978-9, sailed to Tasmania, bought back to Vic on a trailer, then reborn after a revised professional fitout probably in 1980 when the extensive veneered timber work was done. Second owner is now confirmed as Steve Bird.
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Post by Mystique R333 on Mar 20, 2009 21:59:38 GMT 10
This was received by e-mail from Doug Sharpin:
Hello Colin & Moira,
Just found your blog spot and what a great story and achievment from one of my old boats........Doug Sharpin - Nelson Bay
We responded with: Hi Doug
Wow what a story (we had some snippets from Andrew Kopp about your boat builder buying hull from you – and as you said the timber fit-out). We didn’t get any history with the boat when we bought it and it is great to find out some of its history. The bit about the hull damage is interesting as we picked the damage out but recognised it as professionally repaired, yet Andrew knew nothing about what had happened.
QUESTION: We have just removed the toerails for a new topside paint job (not an easy task as some bolts were bent and wouldn’t come out) and I’m curious what the bolts are bedded into – is it glass poked down into the space between skins or just filler. Amazingly tough but strange to have bolts not screws into just GRP. Incredible that even with an impact driver, one bolt has to be cut off as it would not move!
It would have been good to get a 25+4 but the lack of internal roof shell makes relocating the cabin top fittings easier. The +4 internal kitchen design is also much more open and would make your spacious 25 footer seem even roomier. Still funding led to our yacht instead. Less topside for windage is a possible minor benefit.
We’ve decided not to cut the rear out for roll-in access for structural reasons and there just isn’t the space. Maybe the next yacht of about 33’ may be possible. I’m just going to swing in under the boom into a future swivel seat slung off a SS POLE in the deck that will also support hydraulic steering. Then to access the cabin, I’ll swing 180 degrees from skipper position to under the boom again hook an electric hoist onto the boom then slide on a track into the cabin then lower to a seat inside.
I tried to find you as Bob Keeley said you’d moved to Qld but couldn’t find you, so Moira and I are very happy you found us. Hoping the Holland Forum may connect other former and current owners and provide a reliable and accurate location for details of your Holland 25.
Do you have any details of what the accurate specifications of shallow and deep keel versions should be as I’ve found differing data regarding displacement and keel weight especially?
Looking forward to any more info and I’d be happy to assist you to publish it on the Forum. Just ask.
I’m going on a month overseas trip from 20 Feb but will have limited online access while away.
Thanks for the contact, the info and most of all building such an interesting spacious yacht.
Regards
Colin & Moira
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Post by Mystique R333 on Mar 20, 2009 22:05:19 GMT 10
Response from Doug: Hi Colin and Moira...back again while I think of things after receiving your reply....don't know why you would take the toerails off for a topside respray (just mask them) but as you've gone ahead the bolts AND rails were holding and clamping the deck moulding to the hull flange and all assembled with resin and asbestos!! powder mix known generally in the trade of those days as "bog" - the bolt heads were also siliconed under the heads but in pulling the joint down the bog squeezed out and filled the recess in the rail as well as tight around the bolts hence the tight bolts to try and waterproof this join.
Incidently the toerails came from a Company in Huntingdale called Briggs Marine, now Adcast run by the Adams brothers, Greg and Geoff who in turn bought two H25 from me hence "Adams Apple" name at RBYC - a takeoff of Ron's first very sucessful One Tonner "Golden Apple". one AA was shoal draft 3"6" but at RBYC too slow at racing so bought a deep keeler at 5'..........both displacements was 3,500 lbs or 1590kg
The "+4" was a requirement of Mandalay Charters for full headroom as was the lowered bridge deck 12" lower for easy access - would seem to suit you better too - just diamond saw the bridgedeck out, cut the bottom off and re-fibreglass the moulded nonskid bit in place down lower -easy, did it a few times. then needs another stormboard and slides to fill back up to deck level so existing stormboard fits on top. Traveller was then mounted 12"down and shorter but sheet angle the same, it would probably suit you to have end-boom sheeting with traveller on aft deck or rather than a traveller - most US production yachts used just a deck block each side (sheet angle still same - just a bit of fine adjustment missing)
Ron was aghast at shaol draft but under sufference designed the longer shallower keel of same weight - also he objected to raising the deck and extra weight in all the charter gear, big Volvo, refrigeration, full accom,2 big batteries,anchor wells for and aft etc. Originally the "Eygthene" that won the Worlds had a little Vire engine like Adams Apple and some 50 other H25.
The Vire agent actually bought a H25, Geoff Bourne so called it "Seabourne" - hadn't sailed much but launched at Hastings and sailed to Sydney in 3 1/2 days
Being taken down Nelson Bay for coffee with Joy now so back to you later.........lots to talk about...............
ciao for now ...........Doug Sharpin
Our reply: Hi Doug, Oh, by the way, reason for removing toerails was that many bolts were loose, bent or missing making safety rail supports unstable and left toerail was almost falling off anyway. Removal will make paint job will be easier (especially sanding) and joint edge will get sealing of paint too. Main reason was that they were so loose in too many points and holes needed filling/repair, so rails had to come off to see what needed repair underneath.
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Post by Mystique R333 on Jul 9, 2009 17:13:25 GMT 10
Mystique has now had its topsides repainted, in a mid grey this time. So it has a new look that we are very happy with and the 20 year old blue has gone. The toerails had been temporarily removed as they were chronically loose so it was an oportune time to do the topsides. They were painted before Easter, while the temperature was high enough to allow the two part paint to go off without losing gloss. We are very happy with the result and we'll post another photo once the toerails and new graphics are reinstated. We are also painting the deck in white with grey grip areas so it should look a bit younger after all that. Colin
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Post by Mystique R333 on Jul 29, 2009 21:25:22 GMT 10
The fiasco over replacing the cabin windows has had a happy ending (hopefully). With the delay, I was given advice after the unmatched set of windows were removed. I was advised that: rather than have the current trend of acrylic siliconed and screwed to the face of the window surrounds, to get proper framed windows. The face fitting method is difficult to get right and waterproof, whereas the framed units tend to be easier to fit without leaking and add strength to the cabin.
Monday, I picked up the new beautiful black powder coated frames with new smoke acrylic 10mm bigger all round than the old ones so that by tracing new frames and recutting holes a perfect fit is possible. They look a 'million bucks' and fitting will be easier too.
Now we have fitted and our boat has become dry again, after seven months with flow through ventilation when the plastic came unstuck. Fitting was done today - photos of finished job also show refitted toe-rails, stanchions and wires. It really looks like we are making progress now they are in.
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Post by virage on Jul 5, 2010 22:26:56 GMT 10
Stunning. I really like the colour scheme, very sophisticated yet contemporary. liked the logo also. very nice transformation of Mystique. well done!
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Post by Mystique R333 on Jul 7, 2010 16:29:13 GMT 10
Thanks for the compliment Virage. We are very happy so far. Attachments:
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Post by Mystique R333 on May 15, 2013 16:34:18 GMT 10
Well old Volvo is out now and electric is in and wired up to 48V battery system. Motor only weighs 11kg but batteries are 4 x 30kg so weight is similar to Volvo, fuel-tank and starter battery. It hopefully goes back into the water after 10 months getting hydraulic steering, custom seat and motor changed over along with other refinements and antifouling. Will live in Paynesville now after truck drive from Williamstown last July. Have included a shot of engine bay with new motor in place for you to see. Attachments:
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Post by bigfoot on May 24, 2013 17:32:53 GMT 10
Great looking H-25, gray & white is quite sleek, superb resto Colin. The results of a respray can be outstanding, love your work, nice touch. Do you do the Marlay Pt race? Tony
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Post by Mystique R333 on Oct 4, 2015 14:48:09 GMT 10
No we don't do the Marley Point race as our deep keel is fixed and Marley Point Overnight is for trailable yachts and our deep fixed keel precludes us. Besides, all night on a small yacht after sailing/motoring the afternoon to get there, doesn't sound much fun :-) Our 1500mm draught and Lake Wellington (outside the channel) might not be a great mix. My friends came third last race in cold conditions with little to no wind across Lake Wellington and up the channel. They had fun though. Now have solar panels to charge the motor batteries, a boom bag with lazyjacks, a new mainsail and happily located in the GLYC pen.
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Post by Mystique R333 on May 22, 2016 15:02:09 GMT 10
After years of service by my electric motor, we decided that we needed more than the short distance running it provided. With my wife's rheumatoid problem, she can't pull on sheets, but we want to motor around the Lakes in our boat without sailing. I'm still racing on Tuesdays, with my crew, but wife and I want ability to explore the Lakes by motor. To this end, the 20+kg motor/gearbox and three of the four 120Ah batteries have been removed. Anyone interested in a 5KW BLDC motor and 300Watt, 48V controller, Hurth 5M gearbox please contact me. When we pull the boat before Summer we'll remove the 3 year old SS shaft Hurth adapter and Martek folding 12x12 prop with 7/8" taper, reduced by a sleeve to 3/4" taper will be removed and also up for sale. A Yamaha 9.9HP with electric start and forward controls has been installed and we are really impressed with the High Thrust Yamaha for plenty of push, even at very low revs it goes well. The rear mount bracket was mocked up for testing in steel (seen here in the photo) but, due to access to the motor up/down lock release and being just a couple of cms too high and angled too much backwards, we are building a new bracket in SS with a 20mm lower top height, a built-in tilt release action and pivot, as well as slight backwards tilt on the mount. It is difficult to mount an outboard bracket on a H25, let alone one with forward control cables. It needs to be rearward enough to give space for the motor head tilt, have the angle of the stern compensated for and allow for a low mount height with limited reach access. We've found a simple rope from the pulpit is easy to pull the motor tilted, once released, but at 45kg, the concept of raising the motor vertically, was not viable and we have gone for a stronger mount instead. The boat drives great but forward turns are not as sharp, but reverse seems to be very similar. Looking forward to more testing, once the new bracket is made and installed. A slit rubber cover will give weather protection to the controls entry hole. With my fixed rear seat and limited hand function, we've mounted the motor control on a V-Lock that allows it to swing down into the rear pit when my seat is swung around for loading/unloading me to wheelchair. I can reach controls easily once in the seat, so quite happy.
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