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Post by Mystique R333 on Jan 14, 2009 10:41:17 GMT 10
WELCOME to Holland owners, past and present, as well as those investigating different yacht designs for their pros and cons to consider becoming future owners.
I am only a new owner of a Holland 25 with Volvo inboard and have been doing a lot of renovations where previous experience of owners would have been invaluable - do it this way, or it doesn't work!
There is a lack of history in the Australian Yachting scene and I've found forums such as this can document gems of information and archival histories that people love to read when they are contemplating buying or own a specific yacht.
There are a lot of Holland 25 yachts around Australia but no information seems to exist about this very successful and interesting yacht design. I hope that this website may collect that type of info and provide a vehicle for communication between Holland owners.
My yacht came with no log of previous owners, past registrations, dates of renovations (mast was gone too) so almost 30 years of history has been lost. I hope to chase up previous owners and dates they owned the yacht along with perhaps some photos.
Photos of yachts are common today with digital cameras but the older cameras were rarely exposed to the dangers of salt water so old photos are rare (you also needed a friend in another boat to take the shot!) and any scans that could be made available to this Forum would be great. I can host photo collections that posters can then just link to on their forum posting.
I hope you find this forum of use and interest.
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Post by IrishImpact on Feb 23, 2009 19:31:04 GMT 10
Hi Colin and to other Holland 25 owners and members of this website!
I have recently joined this excellent forum on Holland 25's and hope to in the near future post some pictures and information about these excellent yachts (we have had the same yacht in the family - "Irish Impact" since the early 80's). Presently we are undertaking a refurbishment of Irish Impact as she has seen better days.
There seems to be very little available on the internet about these great yachts and I am hoping that overtime, more members join and more information is gathered before it is lost forever.
I was especially excited to see that Doug Sharpin has joined as a member and as the builder of the Holland yachts, I look forward to seeing any information, stories etc that he can add that helps us build an historical record of this class of yacht.
Cheers,
Shane
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Post by eos2voyage on Mar 22, 2009 23:30:49 GMT 10
Hello everyone, I have just joined. I bought a Holland 25 deep keel masthead version about 6 months ago and love the boat very much. It was called "Irish Mist". Anyone know any history about it. I was so surprised when I searched the Net for information on these well known boats. Almost everyone whom I tell that I have bought an H25 knows the boat and comments how well they sail so how come there is nothing out there about them?
I am interested to find out why my boat has baby stay (second forestay) especially as it is so close to the mast. It contains a block system for tensioning. When should I use it and how? It does not seem to put bend in the very solid mast. I also have an adjustable backstay so I assume that if you tension the backstay to flatten the sail then tensioning the babystay at the same time will add further to the flattening of the mainsail. Is this correct?
My boat is moored in the Lane Cove River in Sydney and I have noticed another H25 in the same river. Anyone know the owner so I could link up with hm and share info? Sorry I have not got the boats name.
Anyone know the height of mast on my boat from deck level (it is mounted in a tabernacle)?
I reall like the way these boats sail. So far I have found that they do very well in a strong breeze and equally well in light breezes. It is unusual for a boat to perform well in both conditions. I had expected her to wallow and hobby horse in a seaway due to her wide beam but have found that she handles rough seas with ease and has a lovely motion. They seem very solid and even when dropping offa waveI have ot felt her slam or shudder which I attribute to the strong bulkheads and fitted cupboards down below.
Anyway I hope to meet you out on the water some time. happy sailing,
Colin S.
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Post by Mystique R333 on Mar 23, 2009 13:38:20 GMT 10
Welcome Colin (from another Colin). I ceated this forum for exactly the reason you stated - WHERE IS ALL THE INFO ON THIS POPULAR YACHT?
My original mast was a fractional light mast and didn't have the front 'baby stay' fitted or any place where it was ever fitted. I've replaced that mast with a 135 x 100 masthead, keel-stepped mast (see Mystique rig design) but the mast is shorter than normal. There is no chance a baby stay could induce flex on my stiff mast without undue force on the deck.
Hope you find useful info on the H25 Forum.
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Post by eos2voyage on Mar 23, 2009 22:38:41 GMT 10
Thanks for your comments and warm welcome.Would be good if we could get a few other owners onto the site!!
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Post by easterly on May 15, 2009 21:21:12 GMT 10
Hi I have just joined the forum, great to find fellow Holland 25 owners communicating . Thanks Anthony for advising of the forums existence and great work Colin at getting this going. Great to see the photos and read the stories. I have Easterly II a quite early mast head rig Holland 25 based at Mornington, Vic. I have only owned the boat since Nov 2007 when the boats original owner and my godfather Joe Hall unfortunately passed away. Easterly has been a very well loved and sailed boat over the last 32 odd years and has been competitively raced most Saturdays and Thursday evenings over its whole life. Albeit only owning the boat for a short time, my first sailing experiences and love of the boat goes back to when the boat was new. I learned to sail on this boat and now 32 years later are taking my 5 year old twins out sailing! The Holland 25 is great little boat. Doug I would be interested to find out from you when the boat was launched if you have the information and what number boat it was, as this information was not transferred to me when Joe died. Also the boat has some deck compression at the base of the mast that has been there for many years, any suggestions on how/whether to fix? I would also be interest to hear if other owners have the Petter single cylinder diesel installed, which is in Easterly and last year I had rebuilt which was a very interesting exercise in finding parts. I will post some photos of Easterly soon. Cam
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Post by bigfoot on Jul 4, 2009 22:18:24 GMT 10
Hi all, great site. We've owned Bigfoot (formerly Waterbird) for 6 seasons, she has aways surprised us (and our compeditors) in her preformance around the cans. I was first introduced to H25's in the eighties when I had a lightweight 1/4 tonner called Between the sheets. Our courses would take us 2-3 NM offshore off Broken Bay nth of Sydney. These were the days when races were never called off over bad weather and when it blew 'dogs off chains' the two hollands in the fleet were un stopable, (1 factional and one masthead design) particulary to windward. The factional boat actually won the JOG nationals at the time. We snapped the rig 3 yrs ago and replaced it with a much taller rig (as you do) with twin spreaders and new carbon sails. At this time I considered putting a fractional rig in and met with Doug on board and he explained the factional has a smaller J measurement and a longer boom, this requires the maststep to be moved 1 foot fwd to balance the centre of effort over lateral resistance. I drew up some rig plans comparing the Holland Masthead rig, fractional rig and the J24 rigs, as the J'24s are our most common opposition and found out some interesting comparisons. Being a shipwright this was not a difficult task but found we could gain by raising the height of the masthead and acceive similar sail area to a fractional design. In 2007 Bigfoot won the Centenery of the Pitthingyer regatta against all the big boys in town. She was the oldest and smallest boat in the fleet, David V Galith. In an attempt to defend our title in 2008 we added a 1 mtr bowsprit using a section of a boom from a 16ft skiff and a assometric kite off an 18ft skiff #2 rig as we expected most of the race will be in reaching conditions, it was a blast, the boat performed very well for a non planing hull but I would'nt recommed it over 12 kts. All in all the H25 is a excellent boat wether it be crusing up the bay with a few tinnes in hand or bashing around the cans. Tony.
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Post by Mystique R333 on Jul 4, 2009 22:45:33 GMT 10
Hi Tony/Bigfoot
Lots of interesting and inspiring info. Hope you are willing to give others your sailplan details as 'sticks' break and that is when the decision time comes of will I replace it, and with what? Can I change it to improve to meet my needs/wants?
A positive experience like your changes and result could make that decision easier and keep more H25 yachts racing.
Welcome to the H25 Forum. Colin
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Post by 2359 on Sept 24, 2009 11:01:10 GMT 10
Hi Colin,
Just a brief note to tell you that, as an ex-owner, I posted some info on 2359, Nearly Midnight to the Member's photos thread. I may be able to recall some more details if requested.
John Collins
PS the old Blue Peter Main and No 1 are doing sterling service as "back-to-back" sunshades in the orchard here in France! Hugh would be pleased!
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Post by Mystique R333 on Sept 25, 2009 12:02:20 GMT 10
Hi John, loved your stories of when you owned your H25, very entertaining and I'm sure appreciated by its current ower. If you ever dig out any photos, you can nowe easily add them to the website directly. Some shots of what she looked like when you owned her would help flesh out her history.
Hope you enjoy living in France and you are our first Overseas Member, I'd assume.
Cheers Colin
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Post by ricochet on Oct 4, 2009 20:26:37 GMT 10
Hi all, It is great to finally find some history and information about the Holland 25. I haved owned my Holland 25 called Ricochet, formerly Adams Apple II for nearly 2 years. It is a fractional rig, keel stepped mast, and is the plus 4 model, with the extra sideboards, giving us 6 foot of headrooom inside. We sail out of Mornington, and have enjoyed having another H25, Easterly II and its owner Cam to share some info and tips on. I have had a challenging time with Ricochet over the past 2 years. After owning her less than 6 months, Richochet was one of the 20 odd yachts washed up onto the beach in the big April 2008 storm. 6 months later when launching her for the summer season, she nearly caught on fire due to an electrical fire onboard, destroying all of the wiring in the boat. Another insurance claim later, we have ditched the unreliable, incredibly rusted and way too old Vire 7 engine, and have replaced it with an outboard on a bracket off the transom. I don't like the look of the outboard hanging off the transom, but with a forward controls kit, it will make a very simple and low maintenance engine that will be quieter, safer and less maintenance than the previous motor. Despite the challenging relationship I have had with Ricochet, I absolutely love the Holland 25. With its wide beam, it has an amazing amount of room below, and with a wife who is a nervous sailor, they are a very simple, stable and good boat to sail. I will be sure to post some photos of Ricochet in the coming months. If anyone knows of the history of Ricochet or its previous name, Adams Apple II, I would be really wrapped to hear from you.
Cheers, Nick.
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Post by aquarius on Jan 27, 2010 8:32:04 GMT 10
Hi All, I found this forum when I googled for information on Hollands last year, but its taken me a while to actually join the forum. I was very surprised when I checked the article on Hollands that Collin has posted on his site to see my boat 'Aquarius' in the photo and still with the same sail number 'B100'. I got Aquarius last year from Philip McLean who had owned it since 2001, at first in a partnership and then solely since about 2005. I don't know anything about the previous owners or its history prior to that. The boat is moored at RBYC. It is still a mast head rig When I got the boat the motor, a 6hp single cylinder Petter was sized as the boat hadn't been used for nearly 12 months before that. Fortunately I was able to get the engine to free up by using the hand crank and starter motor together but it wouldn't start. further investigation revealed there was no compression so took the head off to find that the ports had all corroded from the salt water. So had to get the head rebuilt and the injector replaced. The impeller was the other problem as it wasn't working. It took me a while and a couple of head caskets latter to get all this sorted out. I did all the work myself. It took me 3 months from getting the boat before I was able to finally get it out of the pen and sail it. I now sail it when I can mostly on Wednesday afternoons, some Saturdays and occasionally in the Wednesday twlights. I often sail it single handed. At first this was a pain as all the reef lines and the outhaul were on the boom and I had to leave the thingypit to made any adjustments or put a reef in. I have now run everything except the cunningham back to the thingypit. There used to be a baby stay fitted but Philip removed it as it interfered with the head sail when tacking. I have seen a few Hollands now that still have them fitted and am wondering If I shouldn't refit one myself. Some have been adjustable and others are fixed. The boat still goes well with out it. The longest race I have done so far has been from Brighton to Port Arlington. There was just my wife and me on board and on the way home we were hit by several squalls of up to 45kts at least once we were told by other boats. I had by this time 2 reefs and the no.3 up and was surprised at how well the boat handled it. It fact it seemed to do better than some 40ft plus boats that I have been on in similar conditions. I also sail quite a bit with Geoff Adams on his current boat 'Unami' a Bennetau First 31.7 so will see if I can find out more information on Adams Apple, I know he owned another Holland as well but cant remember its name at the moment.
Cheers, Lloyd.
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Post by Mystique R333 on Feb 6, 2010 12:49:34 GMT 10
Welcome Lloyd
I saw Aquarius online when listed for sale. Hull looked clean but sounds like you've had 'fun' with your motor. Welcome to the H25 owners group on Port Phillip.
We're just across the Bay at Willi (RYCV) and our old Volvo is still to be run up properly (live battery and new starter switch to be fitted). Hopefully once started again after over a year it will fire up as we spent a lot getting it running before that but it was only run for an hour or so at idle and medium throttle.
Hope to meet you on the Bay sometime.
Cheers Colin
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Post by aquarius on Mar 1, 2010 7:10:08 GMT 10
More on Adams Apple
Geoff told me his second Holland was also called 'Adams Apple II' which he got in an arrangement with Doug after something happened to the first one and it was sold, not sure of the exact details but do know some money changed hands as well.
I have got Aquarius out of the water at the moment to anti foul her but unfortunately found a bit of osmosis on the port side. So have now ground out all the spots, they were only minor and just under the surface, the boats now dry and I'm in the process of patching her up. I'm also intending to repaint the deck as well without removing any fittings as I've being told its hard to stop them leaking when you refit them. I also have removed all the obsolete fittings and patched the holes.
Collin can you tell me what size Volvo you have? I have a 10hp two cylinder one I am planning to fit to Aquarius but I also think it maybe a bit big and I may have to do too many modifications for it to be worth while.
Cheers, Lloyd
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Post by Mystique R333 on Mar 3, 2010 18:56:21 GMT 10
My motor is a single pot Volvo MD5A 7 HP and attachment gives measurements to compare. Not a lot of space but each motor is different. Attachments:
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